Better Call Saul: Inside the Series Finale with Bob Odenkirk, Rhea Seehorn, and Peter Gould

Warning! Spoilers follow for the entire series of Better Call Saul, Breaking Bad, and El Camino.

Simply put, Better Call Saul’s series finale is a “Masterpiece,” as creators Peter Gould and Vince Gilligan bid farewell to the Breaking Bad universe in “one of the most satisfying, cathartic, and earned endings for a TV show in years.”

But how did Gould, Gilligan, and the cast pull off this masterful stroke of creativity? We spoke to Bob Odenkirk (Saul), Rhea Seehorn (Kim), and Gould to learn more about how “Saul Gone” was brought to life.

Better Call Saul’s Final Scene with Kim and Jimmy

“It was the easiest scene we ever shot,” Odenkirk said of the final scene with Rhea Seehorn’s Kim in the prison meeting room. “It’s one of the few times that one of them isn’t trying to manipulate the moment or push some argument in some direction.”

Odenkirk added that he believes Kim and Saul “are two people who belong together,” even with all of their baggage. Seehorn echoes Odenkirk’s sentiments about that final scene.

“I was very struck at the way Bob was playing his side; he was very caretaking, the holding, steadying her hand. And even the way he’s making the joke, it’s such a perfectly written scene that he tries to make her laugh a little bit, even somehow letting her know it’s okay.”

Season 6 showrunner and co-creator Gould informed us that Kim and Jimmy’s final scene went through various iterations: “There were versions of that scene that I had written where there was a lot more said, and a lot more catching up and it just kept getting leaner and leaner as I worked on it because, in a weird way, they don’t have to say that much to each other.”

It’s one of the few times that one of them isn’t trying to manipulate the moment.

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Gould explained that the writer’s room came up with the idea of Jimmy ending up in jail “sometime in Season 4 or 5. I just felt so strongly that the right ending for Saul was to be in the system, the system that he’s made light of, and that he’s twisted around for his own purposes.”

What separates Saul from the other primary antiheroes in the Breaking Bad universe, like Jesse and Walt, is that his story doesn’t end with him being alone since he has a partner in Kim. “I felt like our show had an extra element, which is that Kim Wexler is just so important to us that at this point in the show. She’s kind of co-protagonist and she has a very hopeful ending in my book.”

What’s Next for Saul and Kim?

And speaking of hopeful endings, Seehorn shared what she believes is in store for Kim and Jimmy post-Better Call Saul. “I personally am a hopeless romantic,” she explained. “So, I think [Kim and Jimmy] continue to see each other and that there is still a bond there and that maybe she tries to legally figure out a way to reduce his sentence, but in a just way, not a scamming way.”

Seehorn went on to praise Gould for “making a finale that inspires viewers to think past that day and wonder what their lives will be after that.”

I think [Kim and Jimmy] continue to see each other and that there is still a bond.

What Would You Do if You Had a Time Machine?

Throughout the finale’s various flashbacks, Saul asks Mike and Walter what they would change about their lives if each of them had their very own time machine. While Walt scoffed at the idea as pure lunacy, both men shared unique stories about significant points in their lives — Mike mentions the very first time he took a bribe, while Walt regrets letting his friends profit from his scientific findings.

We asked Gould about the significance of the time machine question. “So much of the show is about what might have been,” he answered. “What are the choices that these characters make? And just as Bob was saying, you’re screaming at them, ‘go the other way, please just wake up.’ But the truth is that a lot of us spend our lives doing things because we want to, or because something in us causes us to do them. It’s a hard thing to examine yourself and examine your actions and take charge of them. I think the time machine was a way to think about that.”

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While Jimmy’s responses to the time travel question are both shallow, Odenkirk believes his character would give a different answer if asked the same question at the end of the episode.

I think [Saul] always knew better, and that’s why I love the ending.

“I think he knows better,” Odenkirk told IGN. “I think he always knew better, and that’s why I love the ending. Because he exhales, he looks back at Kim in that courtroom scene, he thinks he’s sort of done something pretty clever. And he realizes it’s not really enough. It’s not a full confession. And it doesn’t show the extent of his self-awareness and his bravery that he can call up and that he’s capable of, and he does it. And he does that in front of her and shows her who he can be.”

What did you think of Better Call Saul series finale? Let us know in the comments. And for more on the world of entertainment, check out our reviews for the series finale of Better Call Saul, Westworld Season 4, and the full release schedule for Season 1 of Amazon’s Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power.

David Griffin is the Senior Editor, Features and Content Partnerships for IGN. Say hi on Twitter.

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